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Winchester Radio—Exclusive Interview with Supernatural’s Jensen Ackles [TRANSCRIPT]

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WR: Hello everyone and welcome to Winchester Radio. This is a very special addition and we’re excited to welcome Jensen Ackles to our podcast. Welcome, Jensen! Thank you. Is he still there? Hello? Did we lose Jensen?

JA: No, I’m here. I can hear you.

WR: There we go! Hi!

JA: Hello? Hey! Oh, I got muted. That sucks.

WR: Something happened in the cross over to on-air, sorry about that, but here you are!

JA: That’s alright, that’s alright. We’re here, everybody’s here.

WB: Welcome, Jensen! Welcome to Winchester Radio.

JA: Thank you! Thanks for having me.

WR: So, this is a new format for you so, welcome to podcast format.

JA: [laughing] Yeah, usually I just sit in a room with people shoving mic’s in my face. So this is, uh, this is nice. I actually just made my bed while I was talking to you guys.

WR: Terrific! You can scratch the back of your knee and we’ll never know.

JA: That’s right!

WR: Yep, it’s just like talking to a bunch of friends on the phone.

JA: [laughing] Except how many people are actually going to be listening to this?

WR: Um, well, our biggest podcast listening audience was about 10,000?

JA: Nice!

WR: [No, you’re forgetting Misha!] Oh, that’s right, Misha’s was higher. Jim Michael’s was only 2,000 but Misha was higher. I think Misha was 40,000? 35? 35,000? Yeah.

JA: Wow! So basically 35,000 is the number to beat? Is that what you’re telling me?

WR: Exactly! Yep!

JA: [laughing] Alright! Then I’m gonna need feedback guys-

WR: No pressure.

JA: [laughing] Alright, so, what’s going on? What’s new?

WR: We are going to interrogate you a bit, so fair warning.

JA: Oh.

WR: There will be questions.

JA: Are there some scandalous questions?

WR: You can make them scandalous if you like? [laughing]

JA: Nah, [laughing] not with 35,000 people listening.

WR: [laughing] Minimum. That’s a minimum.

JA: Yeah, alright, alright. Well, fire away.

WR: Okay, so, firstly let’s get into one of the big themes: Cain. Cain is such a big theme right now and he warned Dean that the Mark Of Cain would come with potential side effects. Can you kinda tease us about what we might expect to see happen to Dean as a result of the Mark?

JA: Yeah. Imagine Dean on- taking, like, a low-dose steroid. It’s starting to affect his emotional state. It’s starting to affect his physical state. He’s getting a lot more short tempered and he’s feeling a lot more strength, he’s getting a lot less emotional about situations and becoming, just, kind of more a tool of, you know, of hunting and it’s starting to take its toll on him and you’ll see that as the season starts to wrap up, where that’s going. Where that’s going to end up I’m not sure, I’ve only read up to episode 20 so we’ve still got 3 more episodes beyond that. I’m obviously waiting to see how it all plays out. But as of right now it’s kind of just building up.

WR: Cool. Very interesting. Okay. Um, next question-

JA: It also means, that also means I am personally having to do a lot more pushups throughout the day.

WR: Oh! They’re actually making you work out.

JA: [laughing] I know, it’s a tragedy, but it happens.

WR: [laughing] Have they given you, like, a diet to follow? Are you high protein right now? Anything like that?

JA: Oh, they don’t- No! They don’t tell us any of that stuff. They tried to get us in shape before season 1 when we were in our mid-20s, and since then they’ve just left us alone. No, it’s kind of just up to us, if we wanna do that to our physicality then it’s really up to us. I mean, obviously you’ve seen the transformations that Jared’s gone through but I’m not sure if that was for the show or just for personal. You know, they don’t document our lives as far as nutrition and work out programs and stuff like you hear on movies sets and stuff like that, they don’t- [laughing] They’re too busy down south writing scripts and we’re too busy up here shooting them, so, there’s no time for that. If we get an opportunity, if Jared and I get an opportunity, to go work out and try and keep ourselves in shape then that’s on our time.

WR: Mhmm. Okay. This is not the first time we’ve seen the brothers fight. Do you think this time the estrangement is different? Could this be make or break for them? Are we going to see changes in their relationship? And, if so, where might that take the viewer and will it change the show?

JA: It’s definitely charting new waters as far as the subject of the fights, you know, before it was this kind of, like, sibling bickering and now it’s, you know, it’s getting into, really, the sacrifice that these two are willing to make for each other. Obviously Dean is willing to, kind of, go all in and keep the family together and keep the brothers moving down the road, and it kind of seems more and more like Sam is willing to cash out and he’s not willing to throw his life on the line the way that Dean is. And, so, that’s a tough pill for Dean to swallow and I think that the only way he’s dealing with it is by not dealing with it. I think the Mark Of Cain has given him a simplicity in his thoughts that’s allowed him to kind of ignore the complexity of their relationship right now and focus on the prize, which is Abaddon at this point. So, I think it’s kind of been put In the back of his mind and he’s not having to deal with it. Sam is obviously dealing with his issues and it’s- I don’t know where that’s gonna lead, I don’t know how they’re going to make up, I don’t know if it’s gonna be a, you know, something that will get addressed in the upcoming episodes because it hasn’t yet so, I assume it will. To what extent? I don’t know.

WR: Now, kind of along the same line there, this season we’re seeing a colder version of the brothers, Dean in particular with his reactions to Sam and Sam’s curtness. We also saw Dean, really coldy, kill a guy in the last episode, Thinman, and also Dean’s room looks less homey now which, on Twitter, Jerry Wanek hinted that was a very deliberate choice. So, are these actions related to the Mark Of Cain do you think? Or are they just through the brother’s problems, or everything altogether?

JA: Yeah, that’s all kind of a nod to the Mark Of Cain and what it’s doing inside Dean, or what it’s doing to, you know, his psyche and to his emotional and physical self. He’s becoming less, what’s the word? He care’s a lot less about, you know, the humanity aspect of what he does which is why he was able to take an actual human life as opposed to knocking the guy out and dropping him off at the police station for, you know, to be tried for his crimes, as I think a past Dean would have. He, instead, was just like; hey, he’s a bad guy, he’s gotta go. So, I think the line between black and white is becoming almost dangerously clear. The grey areas are becoming less and less, as far as Dean’s concerned and, you know, he’s always been a kind of black and white kind of guy, but there’s always been a touch of civility and as far as when it comes to humans who are bad and I think because of the Mark Of Cain and because of where this season is heading, because of the tension between the brothers, I think that all leads to Dean just going: You know what? If you’re on the wrong side of my gun then I don’t care if you’re a monster or a bad guy, you’re going down.

WR: I like seeing the change in Dean, it’s really interesting to watch.

JA: Yeah, it’s, you know, for a long time it was, you know, there was a lot of different story lines going on mostly revolving around Sam and what the story was doing to Sam and although a lot of it, you know, could be said it was being seen through Dean’s perspective, the story was always kind of about Sam and what was going on internally with him. So, it’s an interesting kind of switch to now have Dean really being fighting the demon’s inside and having a Mark or, you know, whatever. With Sam it was Lucifer, it was all these, you know, it was all these things that [were] demons inside of him. Well now Dean’s really struggling, or maybe he’s not struggling, maybe he’s embracing it, you know, we haven’t – I don’t think we have come to a conclusion on just how bad it is and- But I am enjoying the fact that it’s something different for him to do.

WR: Last season ended with a really heart wrenching moment of honesty from both brothers inside the church during that scene [JA: Mhmm]. Can you kind of talk about what that scene meant for Sam and Dean, not just as the unit but also individually, and what does it mean now that they’re completely on the outs with each other?

JA: Well, I think you had two different perspectives from two different people. I think Dean was; avoid losing his brother at all costs, even if that means opening up Heaven and- closing the gates of [Hell] and all the stuff that happened in the season finale and then all the stuff we picked up with in the season premiere, getting into this season. Dean was really kind of clear on his objective and that was to keep his brother alive, no matter what the cost. Obviously we saw Sam basically saying: No, I’m ready to lay myself out. I’ve done enough, I’ve sacrificed enough, I’ve killed enough, I’ve done everything, I’m ready to walk away. That was a very- and it has been a very jaggered pill for Dean to swallow because he doesn’t- he sees it as: As long as they’re together, there’s always a choice to be made and once they give up that choice then it’s- they’re gonna allow themselves to possibly be ruled by Demons or Angels or whatever! It could be other chaos, not that it’s not other chaos anyway but it’s at least they’re still free to drive down the road do what they do. It’s different ends of the spectrum as far as perspective goes from either brother and I think that’s what has been the- that’s been the underlining and the common denominator of tension throughout the whole season, it’s just this- Dean wants it one way and Sam want’s it the other way and it all started with that church and what happened there. So, yeah, it’s interesting. Even though the brothers are together they’re not truly together.

WR: Speaking of Dean being affected by the Mark Of Cain and maybe doing things he would not ordinarily do, he’s chosen to work with Crowley this season [JA: Mhmm}. I think Dean and Crowley have great chemistry, you and Mark Sheppard working together [is] so much fun and interesting. Do you feel like Dean made the right decision to trust Crowley? Any thoughts on what Sam really thinks about this? And do you know what’s coming down the road for Dean and Crowley?

JA: Yeah, the decision to kind of go off with Crowley was kind of on the heels of hearing- or of Dean basically coming to the realization that everything he does, everything he touches is poison. He can’t save people because even when he saves people it’s the wrong thing to do apparently, according to Sam. And when he can’t save people he loses people who he should have been protecting, like Kevin. The guilt, I think, really kind of drove him to extreme measures and that being working with any and who to accomplish the mission he set out to accomplish, which is find Abaddon and kill her. So I think as far as his moral compass goes I think that might have been shattered after Kevin and after the conversations with Sam. So he’s just doing what he- He doesn’t care. He doesn’t care who he works with he’s just getting the job done. And as far as working with Mark, you know, that was a lot of fun because it’s always been- Sam and Dean have always had [those kind of feelings?] as far as working with Crowley. And Mark’s a great actor, I think we all know that, and working with good actors is a lot of fun. So we had a really good time doing that. But as far as story goes, Dean is not above scraping the bottom of the barrel to do what he can or to do get what he needs, and unfortunately that’s not gonna sit well with Sam. So, again, you know, you’ve got conflict there.

WR: Again, kind of along the same lines as what Sam would think about Dean working with Crowley, Dean has made a lot of really big gestures to save Sam in the past: he brought him back from the dead in season 2, and he let Gadreel possess him this season. But Sam wasn’t able to save Dean from Hell, Sam wasn’t able to get Dean out of Purgatory. Do you think it’s time for Sam to save Dean from something big like that? Like maybe the Mark Of Cain affects, and do you think that might give Sam some perspective on why Dean does what he does?

JA: Yeah, Sam’s a real selfish asshole, is what it boils down to. [Laughing] It is true, I mean, Sam seems to be a little preoccupied and, I don’t know, maybe it’s a little brother thing and he’s like: You’re my big brother, you can figure it out for yourself. But that in contrast to the way Dean thinks is: I’m the big brother and I’ve gotta always look after my little brother and protect him and keep him from harm. And that’s kind of been his creed for as long as he can remember. I think they both kind of come at it from different angles: Sam is- he’s more willing to kind of allow for things to just happen the way they happen and he is- It’s a Sam centric world in his mind and I think it always has been and it’s also been more of a Sam centric show for a long time and it was originally based around that. And Dean was kind of the guy who was the protector and there to keep him going along and to make sure nothing happens to him. It’s kind of always been that way and I’m not surprised it’s turning out the way it’s turning. It seems to still be in the vein of what we’ve been doing for the past 9 years.

WR: Sam and Dean, as well as Cas, have been very busy this season with so many various antagonists: We’ve got Gadreel, Crowley, Metatron, Abaddon. Not to mention various Angels and various Demons. Will we see these separate storylines begin to come together more or is it very much everyone’s busy fighting their own battles?

JA: Yeah, you know, I would like it to kind of all gel together and it probably will. I mean, they usually kind of bring it all back around and it all kind of comes to a head and together. I mean, there’s- You know, it’s funny because there are people on the show that I have never even met because our storylines are so opposite. So they’ve really kind of compartmentalized the show this year to the point where the stories are very separate. We don’t even- we’re like ships passing in the night as far as the actors go. So, I think that at some point it does have to kind of all fall in together and all relate to each other at some point. And, you know, we’re getting close to the end of the season so I would assume that’s probably coming up pretty soon.

WR: We just found out the description was released for episode 17, coming up in a couple weeks, where the episode’s gonna be going back to the history of the Men of Letters, and a return by Grandpa Winchester- Henry Winchester. Can you talk about that a little bit?

JA: Yeah, that’s kind of another one of those things is- Gil came back to reprise his role of Henry Winchester, which is great because I think he did a great job in the first time. So, we were happy to have him back. Unfortunately, I never worked with him because all of it was like flashback stuff as to what like happened, you know, back in the day. So we never really even got a chance to be on set together. But it’s nice because it does give a little hindsight into the history of what happened there and what happened with him and it does have- sheds a little light on the Abaddon story.

WR: Look forward to seeing that! Loved Henry in his episode last year that was great [JA: Mhmm]! Now Sam really harshly told Dean that Dean makes his sacrifices for selfish reasons because Dean doesn’t want to be alone. But, you know, we’ve seen both brothers really go to extremes for each other. Do you think there is any validity to Sam’s statement? And does Dean do what he does only because of him fearing being alone, or is it Sam specifically?

JA: Say the question- Ask the question one more time?

WR: Sam accused Dean of making the sacrifices for selfish reasons because Dean is afraid to be alone {JA: Right]. Do you think there is any- Do you think that’s right? That’s true? Does Dean do it because he’s afraid of being alone? Or is he more afraid of losing Sam specifically?

JA: That’s a good question. I don’t think Dean thinks about it like that, I don’t think he sits down and goes: Okay, why did I do what I did? I think it’s just an instinctual thing, I think he is always been protective. I think he is- It has been his self-imposed mission in life; to protect his brother. And, you know, he dragged him away from college 9 years ago and he blames himself, probably a lot, for pulling Sam back into this life. And I don’t know whether he feels like he needs to keep him alive or protect him out of guilt, whether he’s protecting him because of fear of loneliness. I don’t know, whatever the case actually is, I don’t think that Dean sits in his bed and psychoanalyzes himself too much, I think he just kinda goes with his gut feeling and whatever the reason he’s not too concerned about it, he just knows that’s- that’s what he feels is the right thing to do, so he does it. I think obviously Sam’s character is the more analytical one and maybe his decision makes Dean think about a few things. But whatever it is, I think Dean would rather not be psychoanalyzed by his younger brother. But, who knows.

WR: Kind of going along the lines of Henry Winchester coming back, since the end of last season and now throughout this entire season, we’ve seen several of our beloved guest stars kind of come back from the vault, in a way [JA: Mhmm]. Is this something that we can continue to expect throughout the remaining storylines this season? Can you kind of, maybe, tease us about who else we might see?

JA: Well, we’ve definitely got some upcoming surprises, which I obviously can’t talk about {WB: Dammit!]. Although I’m sure you guys know so it’s probably no secret, but I’m going to pretend you don’t!

WR: There’s some rumors flying around, nothing’s confirmed-

JA: What?

WR: There’s some rumors flying around the internet, but they’re not confirmed.

JA: Well, I don’t even want to know the rumors. All I can say is: Don’t believe everything you read or hear. But, at the same time, I will say that, yeah, there will be some nice surprises in the future.

WR: Who would you really like to see come back? If you could pick anyone out of, you know, 8 and 3 quarter seasons of doing the show. If you could bring anyone to come back, who would it be?

JA: That’s really tough, there are a lot-

WR: No pressure or anything.

JA: [laughing] What’s that?

WR: I said, no pressure to be fair or anything, but…

JA: Yeah, no kidding. That’s- I mean, that’s really tough. We’ve had so- I mean, you know, when you’ve done, what is it, 192 episodes? There’ve been a lot of people that have come and gone through the years that have been, you know, we want to stick around: from Sebastian to Rob Benedict to Speight. For me, I guess specifically for Dean. Let me answer for Dean, because for Jensen the list is probably a about a dozen people. I think for Dean, if he could pick anybody to come back, it would be his father. And it’s been kind of a- I’m sure you guys have seen the subtle changes that have happened to Dean, maybe not so subtle, that have happened to Dean as the seasons have gotten- and years have gotten longer, that I’m trying to mold Dean into the way that I remember John being. And, so, I’ve always thought that Dean would become his father at some point. And, so, I think that there’s still a massive void that was left when his father left, and I think that if anybody- If Dean could wish anyone back, into their world, it would be his father. But, you know, we know that’s probably not gonna happen.

WR: I kind of have, like, a follow-up question to that then [JA: Alright]. You, speaking as Dean, what do you think John would think about the Men of Letters? Since he didn’t know? What do you think his reaction would be?

JA: I think it would probably be similar to the reaction that the boys had when they found out. I think it would, you know, It would be a game changer, it’d be like: Wow, I wish we’d known about this earlier, because this is a wealth of information and knowledge that can be extremely useful in the field that we’re in. I think John would hit the ground running. I think if he was offered up a batcave like that and filled with endless amounts of knowledge about the supernatural, he would dive right in; which is basically what the boys did when they stumbled upon it, so. I also think it would shed a lot of light on his kind of why he became who he became. You know, he based it all off the fact that he lost his wife, to something supernatural, and that kind of set the wheels in motion for the life he’d ended up having, if he had known that he was predisposed to having this life regardless of his wife, I think that would be a very heavy thing to understand and to comprehend. [Jensen’s home phone rings] I got it!

WR: [laughing] Live. On air. Okay, speaking of characters coming back [JA: Mhmm]. You talked about having some surprises coming up, hopefully the promo department will not spoil it as Lauren Tom, we talked to her last week, and she said how they went through so much trouble to keep her name out of the credits and then on the promos featured her [in them], so hopefully they don’t do that again.

JA: Oh, really?

WR: Yeah.

JA: Yeah, well. There’s a lot of moving-

WR: The Canadian promo department is lenient.

JA: -There’s a lot of moving parts with this operation, it’s hard to keep a thumb on every one of them.

WR: That’s true. Everybody was excited to see her and have her back, it was great. And we got Mama Tran and Kevin [JA: That’s right], and now Kevin is bound to her until Heaven is back, and do you think they need to send Kevin to Heaven and will it be followed up by Sam and Dean? Will it help in their drive to deal with Metatron, and Gadreel, and all that?

JA: Do we think that getting Kevin- would help with?

WR: I’m sorry! Getting Kevin to Heaven. Everybody is stuck between the veil, nobody’s has moved onto Heaven.

JA: Right, right, right. I think that it’s definitely something that, you know, if they can figure out a way to get him to Heaven that’s high priority on their list, but, I don’t think it’s the top priority. I think dealing with the situation at hand, dealing with Metatron, dealing with Abbadon, and all of the stuff surrounding that, I think is obviously the task at hand and then once they figure out what’s going on there they can start to go back and help out the people that mean something to them.

WR: On a completely different subject, for years Supernatural, you know, has been referred to as the “little show that could” and now it’s spawning a spinoff. How do you feel about being a part of something that is expanding in a- like this, and how do you think current Supernatural fan will connect to the spinoff?

JA: That’s a good question. I don’t know, I’m always weary of spinoffs. I feel like if the- you know. I don’t know. I always feel like the best version is the original, not to say that it can’t become something of a [of its own]. We’ve obviously seen like, what is it: The Originals. They’re standing on their two feet. So, look, can it work? Sure! Will it work? Who knows! That’s the same with any show, you know, any kind of show that is- any pilot that is being made right now has like an 86% failure rate. So I think that the fact that they can they can attach themselves to a show that has been successful, to an extent, might give them a slight edge in doing well, but at the same time they’ve gotta understand that they’re gonna get a lot, well assumingly, tether a lot of the audience that we have and they’ve got to deliver, you know. We haven’t gone 9 seasons by phoning it in so. And I think they will [be successful], I think that they’ve written a good sсript, they’ve got a decent cast, I’m gonna meet them in a couple hours actually. So it’ll be interesting to see if they can, you know, if they can parlay what we’ve spent 9 years kind of creating and parlay that into something slightly different and something successful. Whether that happens, I don’t know, I don’t pretend to know the ins and outs of network television and what makes a show work well and what doesn’t. I just know that I show up on work, and know my lines and hit my marks and try to do the best I can, and they leave me alone.

WR: I know a lot of the Supernatural fans, you know, we’re gonna be there for it, we’re gonna support it as much as we can. So, we’ll be rooting for it.

JA: Alright, well that’s good to know. I’ll tell them it’s theirs to lose when I see them today.

WR: [laughing] There you go, that’s right [Basically, yeah]. You guys have set the bar very high on the original, so we’ll see.

JA: [laughing] Well, Jared and I were actually kind of joking, we were like: should we go into this read through with, like, big sunglasses on, and like, scotch in hand, and be like: “Listen kids, you want to know the key to success after nine years is? It’s called day-drinking.”

WR: [laughing] You really should, yeah.

JA: I know, I know. There’s a big part of me that just wants to go there and really, just, be a total dick to them all. But I don’t think I can [WB laughing]. It’s almost like hazing, it’s like a fraternity and these are the new recruits.

WR: Right, exactly. So, some hazing maybe might go on?

JA: Well, I don’t know, I think because we’re not- because this is basically the only time that we’ll probably work with them because they’re gonna- you know, if the show does in fact go to series, they’re gonna try to shoot the show in Chicago, I think so. And we’ll obviously be doing our own show. So, I think, for all intents and purposes, for all people’s benefit, we’ll try and give them some sound advice and hope they listen to it.

WR: You’ve played Dean Winchester for nearly a decade, will be at least a decade at-, you know, coming up, as you look back on the character and his evolution, can you maybe touch on some of the storylines that have shaped Dean as an adult primarily?

JA: Well I mean, I definitely think the hunt for Dad was integral in, telling me personally, what the character- who the character kind of was and where he came from and that gave me an idea of a direction, emotionally, that he would be going. So for the first couple years that was, you know, those were the growing years. And then as for more recent, you know, I think that the purgatory story was very heavy-handed in kind of shaping the way Dean thinks about his life and other peoples’ lives and about the whole kind of situation: Heaven, Purgatory, Hell. I think It helped clarify a lot of the questions he had as to, you know, maybe his purpose. And not to mention, I just really enjoyed that storyline, I enjoyed the characters that were brought on by it, and I enjoyed the sets that we got to film in and the way that they shot it. I thought that was a really cool thing. But I think, more importantly, Dean was really affected by that. And I also think that another one that is probably high on the list is when Sam was, you know, was drinking the demon blood and he was having to basically having to watch his brother go it alone, and in this situation that he was dealing with and he couldn’t- felt helpless and I think that really lit a fire in Dean as far as: I’m not going to sit here on the sidelines and watch my brother go down in flames, I’m gonna do something about it. I think that was very telling of his, kind of, his character and telling of who he is and who he will be in the future and we’re seeing- we saw it again last season and even in this season, so. There’s definitely been things along the way that have helped shaped who he is and it’s continuing, you know, he’s still kind of, as most humans are, we’re kind of ever evolving. These guys are no different.

WR: And to that end, if there were any decisions that Dean has made over the years that you could revisit and possibly alter in some way, what would they be if you were to do so?

JA: Uh, yeah, not invite [laughing] Gadreel into my brother. I think that’s number one on the list. That was a big oops. I think that was one of the reasons that Dean just kinda felt the way he did, where he was just: everything he touches turns to crap. I think that put him in a mental space where he was able to kind of go off and work with Crowley because he didn’t care, he didn’t care who- well that’s not true, he didn’t care who he could affect, he just didn’t want it to be people he loved. So, yeah, I think if Dean had an opportunity to go back and revisit the situation at the beginning of the situation, I think that he would have maybe tweeked a few things.

WR: There have been times that you’ve had to play Dean as Dean up against Jared playing Sam as Gadreel, Ezekiel, many different incarnations, and you’ve always seemed to keep Dean very steadily as Dean, and that’s not easy. What is the toughest part of working with Jared as a Sam as a different character, and is there a most difficult one?

JA: The most difficult one was Soulless!Sam that was- I think, because it was almost a role-reversal. Because now, all of a sudden, Soulless!sam was kind of as cut and dry and white and black and as, kind of- not heartless but more emotionless, like Dean. Soulless!Sam, to me, was kind of like Dean. And so in contrast I wasn’t really able to play Dean that gruff, kind of, devil-may-care attitude because it was basically the same thing Jared was doing with Sam. Which made sense, because, if you don’t have a soul then you give two shits about what anybody wants or thinks or anything like that, so it was even more so than the way I play Dean, so I had to really kind of dial that back and it was really difficult for me to kind of- I don’t know, I felt like I turned Dean into like a whiny bitch that season. And I was really- that was really difficult for me because I don’t like playing that character, personally, and I didn’t like seeing him being like that either. So, you know, what Soulless!Sam did to Dean in that particular season was- that was tough, for me. To me it wasn’t- it was like the whiny bitch side of Dean that I don’t like to play and I don’t like to see but unfortunately it was kind of necessary to contrast what Jared was doing with Sam. You know, that being said there’s been other incarnations of Sam that have come along, that, you know, I just try to keep Dean as- after playing the guy for 9 years, and being thrust into a lot of different situations, as long as I’m able to kind of ask myself: Okay, how would this guy handle that situation? And then that’s the way I play it. So I always go back to how I always have seen Dean and how he has handled situations in the past and that helps kind of shape my thoughts of who to play him, you know, and I remember when they came to us with the idea of The French Mistake and I was like: “Listen, you guys can do whatever the hell you want to do, as long as you’re not asking me to do something other than play Dean, I’m fin, because I know how to do that.” And at this point I now know how to portray him in just about every situation- maybe not every situation, I don’t want to say 100%, but I think I know the different aspects of how to play him when he’s dealing with whatever he’s dealing with. That’s no different when it comes to what’s going on with Sam, whether he is Gadreel, or Ezekiel, or Sam, Soulless!Sam, or Lucifer, or however many faces of Sam they’ve created over the years, I think that the Dean- there’s always a piece of Dean that is there, t might just be tweaked to contrast what’s going on with Sam. But there’s always a common denominator there, and as long as I have that I feel like I’m in safe space.

WR: Now, I have two completely different questions. So, the first one I wanna ask: can you confirm for us here, where everybody can hear, that you do not have any social media. You’re not on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Sykpe.

JA: I do not have any social media. I don’t have from- I never signed up for Myspace when that came out. I have never signed up for anything. Never signed up for anything. And I know there’s- apparently I have tons of accounts. But, guess what folks, they’re not me. And you know what, there were even- there was even times where I was like, you know, maybe I’ll just sign up for a private one or like a- you know, just something so that I can actually just enjoy maybe Instagram with my friends or I can just, you know, Facebook with just my friends. Nope, didn’t even do that, I have nothing. So I don’t even know what happens out there in the world of social media.

WR: Even if you wanted to sign up for something your name is taken, you can’t even be you, there are way too many variations of your name for you to have an account.

JA: I know, that’s one of the reasons why it’s like, well, it’s too late at this point, you know. Whoever has pretended to be me has ruined it for me, so, screw it.

WR: It’s true, it’s true. I’m glad to finally get this cleared where we can play for everybody because you would not believe how many people still believe you’re out there. So, it’s good to get that on record.

JA: That’s crazy! Listen, if hell freezes over and it does happen and for some reason I decide to join, whatever it is, I’m sure it will be public knowledge. In fact, you have my word that it will be public knowledge. If I join I will not join privately, I will join publicly for all to know and understand: “Okay, I’ve sold my soul to the Devil, and now I’m on twitter.”

WR: [laughing] Now, my other question, completely different, we’re gonna soon be seeing Misha’s big Supernatural directorial debut [JA: Mhmm]. How was it to work with him as a first-time director? Did he ask you for any advice? And, the most important question, can you tell us more about the pie-in-the-face pranks?

JA: I don’t know what you’re talking about [WB: laughing]. Well, I- As far as advice, he and I sat down to dinner, this was maybe a couple of weeks before he was supposed to start prepping, and I unloaded on him as much advice as I could think of that I would have wanted someone to tell me- and also some advice that I did actually get before I started- before I shot Weekend at Bobby’s. And Misha promptly whipped out his phone and writing notes, so I don’t know whether any of those things were- helped him, or whether he was just writing an email to somebody and not listening to me, I don’t know. But he- so, yeah, I tried to tell him as much as possible to give him kind of an idea of what to expect. But the thing is, you can give somebody as much advice as you can possibly give them and it seems to all either get washed away or just be put aside because when you’re actually in it, then it just kinda of- instinct and personality take over. And, you know, luckily Misha’s a smart guy and he was- and he’s also surrounded by people who really know the show and the crew, who love him, and so the support system he had going, which is the same support system that I had going, really kinda helped him navigate any treacherous turns. Um, and unfortunate or fortunate for him, I don’t know you’ll have to ask him this, Jared and I didn’t work very much on that episode. We actually- I think we only worked three days on his episode. It was a big, who was it? I don’t know, I wasn’t working so I wasn’t there. So we had to get in some hazing like day 1, unfortunately for him. We didn’t even get to, like, stretch it out over an 8 day shoot, it was like: “Oh we’re only in today and tomorrow, so, sorry buddy, you’re gonna get hazed pretty bad.” He took in stride, and it was, you know, it was- I actually blame you guys. Because there was so much buildup on what we were gonna do to him that it wasn’t- we couldn’t not do anything. So, it’s really the fault of the fans that whatever he- you know, whatever happened to him happened and I don’t take responsibility at all.

WR: [laughing] It’s his fault! He’s the one who said he was terrified of what you guys were going to do to him.

JA: Yeah, exactly! So, you know, we were just fulfilling prophecy.

WR: Right, right! Who came up with the idea of the pie?

JA: That may have been me.

WR: So we saw the pie in the face twice - but was there anything else we didn’t see on video?

JA: Yeah… Well, there was a lot that didn’t get done, let me put it that way. There was- I actually had a list of ideas. And the list was extensive. And we didn’t get to do a whole lot ‘cause he, after day 1, he took some intense precautionary measures. So, you know, there was- there were some good ones that we- unfortunately that we, you know, really the only one that paid off was pie-in-the-face, twice, and I think Jared got his sсript. But, yeah, some of the more extensive ones unfortunately we had to abort because: A, we weren’t going to be there to do it and B, he had taken some precautionary measures that we couldn’t circumvent.

WR: Well, Jensen, we have to thank you so much for talking with us today, it’s just been an absolute pleasure and we really, really appreciate you taking the time out to come talk with us.

JA: Absolutely! Thanks for hanging out and hope to see you guys in Las Vegas, yeah?

WR: None of us are going.

JA: None of you guys are going!?

WR: No.

JA: Oh, alright.

WR: Vinnie and I will be in Vancouver, and you’ll see Susan in Chicago.

JA: Alright, sounds good!

WR: And [Becky] possibily seeing you soon, it’s still up in the air.

JA: Alright, well, that’ll be a first, I’m excited for that one [WB talking]. What’s that?

WR: I’m not much- I’ve never been up that far east. I’m a very south and west kind of person, so we’ll see.

JA: [laughing]

WR: Those Canadian’s accents throw me off!

JA: It’s good to venture out, if it’s freezing out, so be it.

WR: Mhmm. But we will see you soon, so thank you for talking with us and we’ll see you soon!

JA: That was great. Yeah, have a great weekend and we’ll see you soon.

WR: Have a great afternoon, Jensen! Thank you! Bye!

JA: Alright, bye-bye.